Friday 18 November 2016

Everton manager Ronald Koeman on being ruthless, Ross Barkley, smoking and moving to Barcelona: 'No! No, no, no, no, no. No. I don't think so, no.'

KOEMAN

First comes an apology. Ronald Koeman has arrived on time for our early evening meeting but explains he is not yet ready to talk.

It has been a hectic day at Finch Farm, Everton’s training base, and, at 5pm, Koeman is still in his dark blue training kit.

We should be sitting down to talk now, but the Dutchman wants to delay things by a further 20 minutes so he can freshen up.

Already this feels different. Koeman’s weekly press briefings are usually short and he gives the impression of wanting to be out of the room as quickly as possible but, this time, it is clear he is ready and willing to talk.

And that is what he does when he returns. The primary reason for this interview is because Koeman is fronting an anti-smoking campaign but no subject is off limits — not even the topic that has already had Evertonians whisper and speculating: is this job just a stepping stone?

This is the theory. Koeman raises his stock by getting Everton back into Europe and, on the back of two impressive seasons at Southampton, Barcelona become interested.

RONALD KOEMAN'S MANAGERIAL CV 

2000-01: Vitesse

2001-05: Ajax

2005-06: Benfica

2006-07: PSV

2007-2008: Valencia

2009: AZ

2011-14: Feyenoord

2014-16: Southampton

2016-: Everton 

Given he scored the goal that clinched their first European Cup at Wembley in 1992, Koeman drops Everton in a flash.

‘No!’ Koeman says firmly, his brow furrowing and head shaking. ‘No, no, no, no. No. I don’t think so. No. One time, when I went to Valencia. They always speak about Koeman and Barcelona. 

Everyone knows I have a relationship with Barcelona. Everyone says: “One day Koeman will be the coach in Barcelona”.

‘I had a little bit in my mind that when I went to Valencia (in November 2007), it was maybe a good step to do the next step to Barcelona. 

'But now I’m more experienced. You cannot plan what is going to happen. You cannot plan your life. In life everything is possible. In football everything is possible.

 ‘You can’t say “I go to Everton, in one or two years, I go to Barcelona.” No, no, no. Why? Maybe Everton will be bigger than it now is. Maybe Luis Enrique is doing fantastic for the next three years and they don’t need a coach. No! The best thing is to believe in the project: how Everton is.

‘It is not the final moment in this project. Of course not. I signed for three years. I don’t think I signed for three years and will be out after one year. No!

‘I signed a three-year contract at Southampton. I left after two. Why? They didn’t accept (me going into the) last year of contract.

‘They said “No, no — we need to know what the future in this club is with the manager.” I said “I don’t know.” You know football? Maybe today the sun shines, maybe tomorrow it rains. I’m in love with Barcelona, life there is fantastic. It was my best period playing. But Everton? I’m happy here.’

He looks it. These are still early days in his reign and there have been teething problems, like missing out on players such as Moussa Sissoko and Lucas Perez and suffering defeats to Chelsea (5-0) and Burnley (2-1) that have made Koeman, by his own admission, 'not a nice man to be with on Saturday night'.

Yet Koeman has made an impression. He has raised standards around the club, imposing rule changes like the working day beginning for players at 9am not 10am. But he’s also raised eyebrows with some frank assessments, like his assertion that bitter rivals Liverpool can win the league.

There was also a declaration that star striker Romelu Lukaku needs to one day join a bigger club to fulfil his potential, but he is not afraid to say things how he sees them. It is why Farhad Moshiri, 
Everton’s majority stakeholder, described him as ‘ruthless’.

 ‘Nah! That’s not true,’ Koeman says with a telling smile. ‘Ruthless? Maybe in some decisions.
‘Sometimes it is difficult for me. The nicest message you can give to a young player is “you will make your debut on Saturday”. But also you need to make difficult decisions. It’s part of the job.

‘If there is a press conference, of course I will know some likely questions but I don’t spend all morning preparing for it. I am myself. I try to be honest, I try to give messages that are good for the club but of course I have a soft side.’

When he first set out as a manager, at Vitesse Arnhem in 2000, Koeman — who as a central defender scored a scarcely believable 253 goals in his glorious 17-year career — admits it was a struggle to work with players who didn’t remotely have his ability.

‘I would ask myself: “how is that possible? How do they not see the pass?” says Koeman, who took the plunge to go on his own after working as Louis van Gaal’s assistant at the Nou Camp. ‘In the beginning I had problems.’

The problems, though, are more easily put into perspective these days. Valencia taught him just how capricious football can be — he was in charge at the Mestalla for 168 days in the 2007-08 season: 'It was short, like (Gary) Neville!' — but it was an issue closer to home that really changed things. Not long after he was sacked, his wife and soul-mate Bartina was diagnosed with breast cancer. He had 18 months out of football, to look after her and their three children, Tim, Debbie and Ronald Junior, who is now a goalkeeper in the Dutch second division with Oss.

‘She had two years of treatment and that was not nice, but it was good to be out of football because every day I was at home,’ says Koeman.

‘Everything is OK now, there is not any problem any more, but it was a hard time. At that time, football was not the main thing.

‘It was not the most important thing in life. She was a smoker.

‘She stopped after that. Johan Cruyff had a heart attack. He stopped after that and started on Chupa Chups (lollipops)! That is another reason for the campaign — Cruyff and my wife — but everyone knows it is bad to smoke.

‘If I can help and support the campaign then we will do it.

‘One time at school (making inhaling sound) I did not feel well after that! Of course I was crazy about football, football was everything, and I knew I couldn’t smoke. Cruyff used to smoke at half-time! The two don’t go.

 ‘The moment you get the sack is not nice, it is difficult, but you learn from positive experiences and you learn from negative experiences.

‘Finally it’s not a problem. It is part of the job. Everyone knows this is the business of football. It is harder than 30 years ago. But if you don’t like it, don’t do it.’

And Koeman loves it. He expected to enter retirement at 50, to indulge his passion for travelling and playing golf and enjoying good red wine, but here he is today, working to restore the sheen to one of England’s sleeping giants.

‘Sometimes it is difficult,’ says Koeman.

‘My children are living in Holland. My wife is travelling between here and Holland (to run the family cosmetic company). The children are older. 21, 28 and 30 in January. That’s not a problem. But you miss things.

‘If your child is not happy or they have a problem, there is distance.

‘OK, it is one hour by a flight but it is not the same. You have to sit on the side and it’s difficult. You think: “Is that what I really want?” But then there is football. I’m still crazy about football. And in life, you need a challenge.’

And there are challenges at Goodison Park, one of which revolves around Ross Barkley. After another omission from the England squad — his third in a row — the gifted midfielder finds himself in a fight to show his potential.

Koeman has not indulged Barkley since he arrived in June, dropping him for a game at Manchester City, dragging him off at half-time in another match at Sunderland.

He has been bemused by the constant questioning of how he has handled the 22-year-old — but the topic must be asked again.

‘OK,’ Koeman replies. ‘You can give the answer if I ask you. Tell me about Ross Barkley.’

It is put to Koeman that Barkley at times has looked like his confidence has been hurt and that the weight of expectation has hung heavily. Koeman considers this, agrees in part and then airs his view.

 As has been the case through the last 30 minutes, he is forthright and honest.

‘I understand it is difficult,’ he says. ‘I understand the expectation. He is a boy from the club. Of course he is someone I can see improve. I am really involved in his process. Of course.

'But, finally, it is up to the player. We can support, we can help, we can show clips. But…. finally? It is the player.’

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